Start considering moving your communities out of Discord now. Don’t wait for the enshittiffication to arrive, the clock is ticking. No one will listen to me, but let’s talk again later. reuters.com/business/chat-plat…
RIP notifications :) A lot are asking "ok which alternatives?". Indeed there's nothing quite exactly like Discord and that's the scary part of them going public, they convinced tons of companies to ditch blogs/forums in favor of them. But because there's no exact replacement doesn't mean we should wait and see. Investigate! (some are in comments suggesting stuff) Remember Twitter and others stuff we had to leave when it was too late to slowly build momentum elsewhere. That's what I'm getting at.
ok, this sucks. unfortunately i have no idea where one would move. and even if i did, how you'd get more than 1-2% of people to go with you.
discord only got so big because steam, xfire, teamspeak and foremost skype all sucked at some part of the problem. but discord doesn't suck in the same visible ways.
I would say enshitification continues but it already was pretty shitty from the start and it's no surprise from a company that made out with NFTs, Crypto and now AI.
@briankrebs While I agree 100%, where should I recommend these communities go? Especially the non-techie communities that use it for forums AND voice chat?
@cstross I'm not a fan of Discord. It’s like Facebook, WhatsApp etc in that it's designed to provide a constantly-flowing river of distractions, not a resource you can refer back to. Forum software, hideous as it mostly is, is better in this respect.
But we use Discord (or FB, WhatsApp etc) because our friends are there. And our friends are there (or on FB, X etc) because it’s easy & convenient. We KEEP doing this: setting ourselves up for enshittification for the sake of convenience.
The sad part of all of this is that not only will they not listen, they're not even here. And they won't give a shit about ANY of that privacy/enshittification nonsense as long as their Minecraft group chat still exists. So we can be over here boosting like crazy and screaming at the top of our lungs and it will make 0 difference.
day comes closer... It's not new as first sale pitch was year or two ago but I still didn't see any alternative myself. Add that you need to somehow drag community into it or hope there is community you want to join makes me miserable... Little brief history about myself - started Arknights 4+ years ago> started to be more proactive on r/Arknights> API fiasco happened, many mobile apps for Reddit died> r/Arknights made discord server while blackout is on> blackout ended, Reddit shrugged, community agreed with mods that discord server should stay>kbin.social was replacement for some time but many left Fediverse and kbin.social died for unknown reasons> community stayed on both Reddit and discord or like me only on Discord> had around 1k users now it's 4k users 2 years later.> I still didn't find people to have community for Arknights, while many people discover r/Arknights and think that it's official sometimes while official one is only held up by few good moderators and awful administration.
One interesting tidbit I learned after moderators
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day comes closer... It's not new as first sale pitch was year or two ago but I still didn't see any alternative myself. Add that you need to somehow drag community into it or hope there is community you want to join makes me miserable... Little brief history about myself - started Arknights 4+ years ago> started to be more proactive on r/Arknights> API fiasco happened, many mobile apps for Reddit died> r/Arknights made discord server while blackout is on> blackout ended, Reddit shrugged, community agreed with mods that discord server should stay>kbin.social was replacement for some time but many left Fediverse and kbin.social died for unknown reasons> community stayed on both Reddit and discord or like me only on Discord> had around 1k users now it's 4k users 2 years later.> I still didn't find people to have community for Arknights, while many people discover r/Arknights and think that it's official sometimes while official one is only held up by few good moderators and awful administration.
One interesting tidbit I learned after moderators banned image posting on main channel only. 1. People rarely embed. 2. Lots of people will just drop and drag and even same image instead of linking. 3. Image posting available in other channels but people flock to main and biggest one. 4. New people don't even bother going further than main channel. 5.Established users will talk about anything in main channel but won't go to other channels even if there is one for politics discussion.
As gamer combination of emojis/chat/voice chat/streaming and good users to have fun with is all I need but I moved from Skype to Discord 10+ years ago only for Noice suppression as I not comfortable to have a headset (so speakers blast all the way).
Honestly, have no clue if discord disappears one day what can even replace it and how to entice others to join in... Self hosting/renting server for community will be even more herculean task.
Reddit will be back defacto place where people gather around a game/hobby/celebrity.
We've really been enjoying @zulip . The organization has been super helpful, and so far, no AI foisted on us in the UI. Good mobile & desktop clients, including Linux.
I've a Matrix profile. But I've to issues as well with Matrix:
1) I don't understand how it's layered. Mastodon is one software with lots of servers, but Matrix is like one of multiple places, each with lots of other places, or something like that.
2) There is activity, of course, but it doesn't have dedicated places, like ADHD, Gateway Tapes, video games in general and with specific places for each one...
regardless of such scandals, Discord has pretty much the most toxic communities I were part of, almost comparable to the experience in Facebook around 10-12 years ago. It'd be really nice if more places moves out of there. Ideally to something open and standard like XMPP, which I highly doubt will happen, but one can only dream I guess.
Moving out - great. But my main question is - why did anyone move in, in the first place? People have to stop willingly jumping in to these VC-backed sites and then being all surprised-Pikachu when the monopoly they helped to create turns out to punish them in the end. It's not like we haven't had 15 or more years of this.
curious where everyone is migrating to? For instance , Signal groups spaces, Matrix, IRC, keybase.io, XMPP, some other chat group ? Can’t use mastodon for secure stuff.
I've been a moderator of a community with tens of thousands of members for years. That Discord would enshittify has always been obvious (and underway for a while now), but unfortunately there isn't a good enough alternative for our needs.
Meanwhile there's Matrix that is like Discord without all the crap, give it a try, it's free! Sure, it doesn't have all of the features 1:1 but maybe good enough for you, I don't know...
I'm fully aware that these aren't exactly like Discord, and they have their own imperfections. That said, until something else with a comparable feature set comes along, communities may have to switch to a separate forum and chat model. Not perfect, but an immediate solution.
I wish it would just die. Discord has always felt like a step down from forum+mailing list. I get that many gamers like the voice chat and streaming features, but then they go and use ephemeral chat as a substitute for a searchable forum and FAQ. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve had a question about a Minecraft mod’s compatibility and I’ve had to pester a dev on chat because there’s nowhere to just look it up!
@David Amador It is easy to complain about enshittification, but then again - the communities I know all use Discord for free and the only way for Discord to make money is by selling Nitro, which no one in their right mind will want to pay for. So what other path do they have besides enshittification? If we want shit-free services we need to pay for them. But if they are paid, they will not become popular. It's a vicious circle.
projectmoon
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •David Amador
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •A lot are asking "ok which alternatives?". Indeed there's nothing quite exactly like Discord and that's the scary part of them going public, they convinced tons of companies to ditch blogs/forums in favor of them. But because there's no exact replacement doesn't mean we should wait and see. Investigate! (some are in comments suggesting stuff) Remember Twitter and others stuff we had to leave when it was too late to slowly build momentum elsewhere. That's what I'm getting at.
Loy Hena
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Puppygames
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •dipshit
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •have you used discord at any point during the last couple years
catraxx
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •53544c41 "stella" 3e29-80c8-88b0-1df1ee8cce73
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Noel
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •I have considered for years now, but people really aren't keen on leaving.
I really hope they boil the frog too fast.
aurelia, in null void space
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •ok, this sucks. unfortunately i have no idea where one would move. and even if i did, how you'd get more than 1-2% of people to go with you.
discord only got so big because steam, xfire, teamspeak and foremost skype all sucked at some part of the problem. but discord doesn't suck in the same visible ways.
Brian
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Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •wdym «arrive»
isn't discord, like, already enshittified as hell
Takiro 🎨
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Negative Kelvin
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •I read somewhere that the Discord CEO is constantly worried about enshittification.
I don't even care. I hate that the knowledge shared in Discord is all locked behind logins and can't be discovered. It started out flawed.
Jeff MacKinnon
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Frank Hightower 🐁
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Juno Jove
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •it already is shit.
Need a good alternative though...
And don't say Rocket Chat, double dare you.
GrayGooGlitch
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Monica
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Devin
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •HermitCyclop
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Angus McIntyre
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •@cstross I'm not a fan of Discord. It’s like Facebook, WhatsApp etc in that it's designed to provide a constantly-flowing river of distractions, not a resource you can refer back to. Forum software, hideous as it mostly is, is better in this respect.
But we use Discord (or FB, WhatsApp etc) because our friends are there. And our friends are there (or on FB, X etc) because it’s easy & convenient. We KEEP doing this: setting ourselves up for enshittification for the sake of convenience.
royal
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Wyatt H Knott
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Kent Navalesi ☕️
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •"But MY Discord is just fine!"
Yeah, see how far that ownership takes you.
fedithom
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •"Bring together messaging, voice ... and AI ..."
God damn ...
Colin B.🇨🇦
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Acin ☆
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •@jf_718
Has anyone around here used #NextCloud Talk for an interest-based group?
This is a sincere question, not a recommendation. I really don't know if it's any good.
Ninmi
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Raphael
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Kotking
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •day comes closer...
It's not new as first sale pitch was year or two ago but I still didn't see any alternative myself.
Add that you need to somehow drag community into it or hope there is community you want to join makes me miserable...
Little brief history about myself - started Arknights 4+ years ago> started to be more proactive on r/Arknights> API fiasco happened, many mobile apps for Reddit died> r/Arknights made discord server while blackout is on> blackout ended, Reddit shrugged, community agreed with mods that discord server should stay>kbin.social was replacement for some time but many left Fediverse and kbin.social died for unknown reasons> community stayed on both Reddit and discord or like me only on Discord> had around 1k users now it's 4k users 2 years later.> I still didn't find people to have community for Arknights, while many people discover r/Arknights and think that it's official sometimes while official one is only held up by few good moderators and awful administration.
One interesting tidbit I learned after moderators
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It's not new as first sale pitch was year or two ago but I still didn't see any alternative myself.
Add that you need to somehow drag community into it or hope there is community you want to join makes me miserable...
Little brief history about myself - started Arknights 4+ years ago> started to be more proactive on r/Arknights> API fiasco happened, many mobile apps for Reddit died> r/Arknights made discord server while blackout is on> blackout ended, Reddit shrugged, community agreed with mods that discord server should stay>kbin.social was replacement for some time but many left Fediverse and kbin.social died for unknown reasons> community stayed on both Reddit and discord or like me only on Discord> had around 1k users now it's 4k users 2 years later.> I still didn't find people to have community for Arknights, while many people discover r/Arknights and think that it's official sometimes while official one is only held up by few good moderators and awful administration.
One interesting tidbit I learned after moderators banned image posting on main channel only. 1. People rarely embed.
2. Lots of people will just drop and drag and even same image instead of linking. 3. Image posting available in other channels but people flock to main and biggest one. 4. New people don't even bother going further than main channel. 5.Established users will talk about anything in main channel but won't go to other channels even if there is one for politics discussion.
As gamer combination of emojis/chat/voice chat/streaming and good users to have fun with is all I need but I moved from Skype to Discord 10+ years ago only for Noice suppression as I not comfortable to have a headset (so speakers blast all the way).
Honestly, have no clue if discord disappears one day what can even replace it and how to entice others to join in...
Self hosting/renting server for community will be even more herculean task.
Reddit will be back defacto place where people gather around a game/hobby/celebrity.
Rusty Corgi
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Suzanne Aldrich (she/her)
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Bill, organizer of stuff
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •sonicJazzMonkey
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Is there an alternative to #discord for gamers and other communities ?
Just asking as I'm not aware of any.
#chat #gaming
[Yaseenist] CauseOfBSOD
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Domestic Enemy Moto
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •@mhoye Whoa - you’re saying it got as shitty as it is now *without* IPO?
I got a job at Digg.com during that company’s IPO run-up. Anyone else remember Kevin Rose’s thing? We were *crushing* Reddit.
At the time.
Don’t walk. RUN.
Ignacio (he) 🇺🇦🇪🇸🇪🇺
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •I've a Matrix profile. But I've to issues as well with Matrix:
1) I don't understand how it's layered. Mastodon is one software with lots of servers, but Matrix is like one of multiple places, each with lots of other places, or something like that.
2) There is activity, of course, but it doesn't have dedicated places, like ADHD, Gateway Tapes, video games in general and with specific places for each one...
Unknown Pseudoartist
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Ben Sizer
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Gytis Repečka
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Discord somehow took over and made into chat what before was pretty much classic forum experiece
Good chance to bring it back. Make communities on forums that lasts, not chats that are temporal
Cenbe
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •nixFREAK
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Michelle Hughes
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •K-ZO da Snowman
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Quiet - Private messaging. No servers.
tryquiet.orgLethe
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •That Discord would enshittify has always been obvious (and underway for a while now), but unfortunately there isn't a good enough alternative for our needs.
Ben Cox
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Justin
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Not sure where most of you all have been but Discord has been garbage for many many years.
They have sold user data for years, which is why I dropped them 8+ years ago.
Just one example, and from last year... Glad I dont have any data they sold to Law Enforcement and AI companies.
lifehacker.com/tech/discord-da…
Your Discord Data Is Being Sold to Law Enforcement and AI Companies
Jake Peterson (Lifehacker)sebulon
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Like it's not enshittified enough already!? 😄
Meanwhile there's Matrix that is like Discord without all the crap, give it a try, it's free! Sure, it doesn't have all of the features 1:1 but maybe good enough for you, I don't know...
[AF]2050
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Lol i knew it, i goddamn knew it.
I wonder who thought it was a fucking great idea to base communities on Discord of all things.
Please do let me know what it will be the next platform.
Dane 🇮🇪🇺🇦🇻🇪🖖⚛️☮️☸️🕉️
Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •A quick list of alternatives:
TeamSpeak: teamspeak.com/en/
Stoat: stoat.chat
Element: element.io/en
Quiet: tryquiet.org/index.html
Zulip: zulip.com
I'm fully aware that these aren't exactly like Discord, and they have their own imperfections. That said, until something else with a comparable feature set comes along, communities may have to switch to a separate forum and chat model. Not perfect, but an immediate solution.
Home | TeamSpeak
www.teamspeak.comBasieP
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Als Antwort auf David Amador • • •Tobias Ernst
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